It's also amusing how quick you like to forget about the, quite literally, hundreds of other decisions made over the past 2 years on the site I haven't made. Quit making this personal with seemingly unrelated quips. It's not appreciated. By the way, you also have incorrect information. Both mother3.org and tomato's blog have passages citing that not only is the translation related, it's using the work from, and some people associated with the original project. I don't know why you think they have nothing to do with them. Shall I cite the passages again? Lastly for clarity, the translation started several days BEFORE the game was released and not on the release day. We're talking negative wait time.

There's not even a decision to be made and there's no moral defense involved. This site was not created to represent projects of that nature or the people who support it. It's that cut and dry. There's no decision involved in what the purpose of the site's creation was. You'll have to go to another site for 0-day projects. 2 years time doesn't change the facts of the project. If you come here looking for news on such projects, you've come to the wrong place. That's not what this place is about.

I only mentioned one example, this one. I certainly applaud you for going with popular opinion against your own in all of those other cases. I can't say I would have done the same in your shoes. The only point I was making was that not all decisions are based on consensus of majority here.


Relevant to past discussions between us on the matter of community decision, which relate to this case as this was not a community decision. Of course it can be seen as rude to mention it now ... not sure what to tell you there, other than that wasn't my intention.


I don't know about that, I am going by what I've been told personally by Tomato. I trust that information more than some web log -- even one that was written by Tomato himself.


So there were three initial people who started the project prior to release. The programmer left, and the other two were not brought over. Meaning there are zero people in the current translation from the old one.

Perhaps Tomato would wish to clarify if any of their actual work is being used now.

Anyway, the decision of whether to ever host this patch or not has clearly been made, with no room for re-evaluation. I don't see much use in discussing the matter further.

I'm just guessing here, but it sounds like very little of the original project is in the current project... Or perhaps none at all.

And why can't a compromise be reached? You do not allow DS patches on the site, but you allow news about them, why not in this case? It's certainly the same legally and morally...

What qualifies it as an important translation? Is it somehow going to revolutionize the ROM hacking process?

And again... How do we know for certain there aren't already "0-day" projects here? Some of the newer games might've been privately dumped, and had work begin before even the scene release.

Technically speaking, ALL of the patches here are cut and dry illegal anyway! The license agreements do not permit transferring to other formats or any form of modification without express written permission.

I'd say refusing to cover a translation with such a level of fan interest isn't so great for the site's credibility. This is by no means the only place which will be talking about Mother 3. When its translation gets complete, we'll be losing potential visitors and members.

It has almost everything to do with when it's released. Being 0-day you put the thing OUT on the day of release. There's no way of policing development of a patch to ensure how it's done. A non-biased metric is release. You cannot, you cannot make a fair assessment in every case.

I agree with Nightcrawler that we shouldn't cover and support it till it looks like the game wont be coming stateside. We also shouldn't support translations before the game is released. With that said, I agree with byuu that it is a dictatorship here. It is your site Nightcrawler. I think you made the right choice but let's not pretend like this is democracy here. We do use democratic method for small issues but any of the more concerning issues come down to you. That's just what I've seen. To be quite honest, it's not a bad thing. Just let everyone know that decisions ultimately come down to you. That way, if you overrule a community decision, there is no hard feelings...

Whoa, please note that I never stated this site was a dictatorship or that Nightcrawler was a dictator, hence the quotes in my previous post. Whenever I say "it's your site," he interprets that as though I am implying dictatorial rule -- which is never my intention.


Precisely. And this is exactly what I've been getting at each time I mention the phrase, "it's your site." Let's be honest here. When Whirlpool fell apart, Nightcrawler bought up this domain. Nightcrawler wrote much of the backend code. Nightcrawler negotiated getting the databases from (wraith) and Spinner 8. And Nightcrawler pays the bandwidth bills month to month. We don't really have any right to complain and want to override his decisions. Ultimately, if anything, I want Nightcrawler to be happy with his site so that he continues to maintain it and keep it alive. Hopefully his unpopular decisions won't have too much impact on this site's reputation and popularity, though. People really are going to question things when they hear of Mother 3 being released (and they will), yet don't see any mention of it here. They'll probably find this discussion and draw their own conclusions from that, again, good or bad. I do wish Nightcrawler would evaluate the issue more, but we're beyond that point already. No sense beating a dead horse.

And if someone wants to come along with an alternative to RHDN (perhaps even over this very issue), all the more power to them, too. They can run their site however they want. It won't be me, that's for sure. I don't have that kind of dedication. Nor do I really have a problem with Nightcrawler's decision, either. I don't agree with it, but it's just not that a big deal to me personally.