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SeekerOfPeace
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« Reply #45 on: January 08, 2008, 03:51:45 am » |
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Not allowing it is so insanely illogical it's not funny, and clearly shows the hypocracy of the people running the site. You know, I read this between 3 hours of marking papers and I thought: "Nah, I won't reply." But it's striking a chord so I will. I've been a moderator for a very popular french forum about RPG. The statement quoted above bothers me. I think it's one thing to disagree about what should be hosted and what should be and another thing to call the whole staff hypocrits. I eventually left moderation because the members were bickering over details and just plain taking for granted all the effort put into offering something to the community with our own free time. At the end of the day, this site is a great resource to the community and I think we should think twice before making such bold statements. Sorry, I had to post this. |
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Numonohi_Boi
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« Reply #46 on: January 08, 2008, 05:47:43 am » |
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totally, lets not make this personal, I think we can all say that the staff here does a pretty good job and as for myself I respect your decisions and judgement overall. I also think it's good to talk through this stuff as a community.
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Moulinoski
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« Reply #47 on: January 08, 2008, 07:14:19 am » |
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Wait, so you mean there's no 0-day warezliness in the Do-It-Yourself-Devotion? Then... Couldn't that clear you? :< (And I enjoy reading your blog btw although I've always known ROMhacking to be a terrible pain in the butt... at least from what I've seen. XD) totally, lets not make this personal, I think we can all say that the staff here does a pretty good job and as for myself I respect your decisions and judgement overall. I also think it's good to talk through this stuff as a community.
I too think the staff are great. NC's very professional; Kaioshin does the whole blind justice thing; when Kitsune was a mod, he was a good one (and he's still a great member... and furry XD); redcomet, whom I haven't seen on the site lately, is also respoonsible from what I've seen. The rest of the staff are also great although I'm not sure who they are (I do know Suzaku is one... but I can't recall the others.) /off-topic staff appreciation. |
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Crysta
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« Reply #48 on: January 08, 2008, 08:32:31 am » |
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Question for you staffers. Can you honestly say you wouldn't have done things the same way as they did, given their situation?
Yes. I never liked the Mother series  Very funny.  |
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Guadozoku
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« Reply #49 on: January 08, 2008, 09:25:47 am » |
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Kind of an odd technicality, but I can't see it being enforced for every translation (raise your hand if you know every rom that was ever zero dayed.) Also, this translation will likely be featured on every site BUT this one, so it's not like everyone won't know about it anyway.
It's just not a big deal.
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Kitsune Sniper
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« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2008, 09:31:30 am » |
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Question for you staffers. Can you honestly say you wouldn't have done things the same way as they did, given their situation?
Yes. I never liked the Mother series So does this mean that German people have no soul? I disagree with Nightcrawler's position on the matter, and that's all I'm saying about it. Well, that and that this thread reminds me of the drama that happened back in the day. Two parties fighting about things and Inverse stirring the pot. :cookie: |
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InVerse
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« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2008, 09:46:54 am » |
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Kind of an odd technicality, but I can't see it being enforced for every translation (raise your hand if you know every rom that was ever zero dayed.) Most release sites (ie Pocket Heaven) have the date the game was released and the date the game was released, so it wouldn't be hard to figure out for handheld systems, and there aren't a whole lot of translations going on for recent non-handhelds, other than a few PS2 projects. Yes. I never liked the Mother series Here here! Well, that and that this thread reminds me of the drama that happened back in the day. Two parties fighting about things and Inverse stirring the pot. :cookie: Can't I have an opinion about anything without being accused of trolling? I mean, I held back saying several things specifically because they wouldn't have contributed constructively. |
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Guadozoku
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« Reply #52 on: January 08, 2008, 10:06:48 am » |
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Kind of an odd technicality, but I can't see it being enforced for every translation (raise your hand if you know every rom that was ever zero dayed.) Most release sites (ie Pocket Heaven) have the date the game was released and the date the game was released, so it wouldn't be hard to figure out for handheld systems, and there aren't a whole lot of translations going on for recent non-handhelds, other than a few PS2 projects. Well, zero day doesn't matter for ps2, since I, and probably many others, rip legal copies of the games to patch. Whether the game was zero dayed would be even less relevant in that case. |
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charlequin
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« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2008, 11:45:35 am » |
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Again, you're completely missing the point. 0-day projects are not allowed here. Period. No exceptions. It doesn't matter how many people want it, or what we know its chances are now. If we start playing favorites like this, things fall apart.
I don't see how it's "playing favorites." The reason people are even bringing this up is because there is trust in the RHDN staff and their judgment, even if the popular will is against this particular decision; I think the community would similarly trust you to collectively determine the legitimacy of projects like this and to let in only the worthwhile ones. I think the specifics of the project are clear enough that considering this translation in its current form to be "legitimate" doesn't hurt your case against any unambiguously bad projects. (Especially so since, as Tomato mentioned upthread, there's zero personnel continuity from the "0-day" patch to the current team.) I just feel like this is a bit of a "cut off your nose to spite your face" situation. I agree wholeheartedly with the ban on 0-day stuff, but I feel that excluding this project hurts RHDN (and the Mother 3 project) without actually doing anything to hurt or dissuade the warez scene kiddies that everyone here, I think, agrees are a problem. |
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byuu
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« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2008, 02:12:33 pm » |
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Disclaimer: though I've not been of any real help, I have offered assistance to the Mother 3 team. Though I try and refrain, assume bias in my post, just in case. That said ...
Morals are a funny thing, as they aren't based on rationality at all. We all have them, though.
We don't mind violating the Berne Convention by hosting unauthorized fan translations, but if that fan translation started the first day the game was out, that's somehow a bad thing. You have to wait 24 hours first. Nevermind that translating the game would take at least a year either way. Nevermind that the translation would be canceled the second an official translation was announced. Nevermind that there's absolutely no way to tell whether or not any project started the day a game was released or not, other than the group publicly stating as such. Nevermind that a translation has nothing to do with the original "zero-day" translation team. We have morality to defend here.
It's amusing how quick Nightcrawler is to point out that this is a community site that he is not a "dictator" of, yet the end decision is still his, regardless of overwhelming popular opinion in opposition to him.
Note that for what it's worth, I fully support Nightcrawler's decision to run the site the way he wants. If it were my site, I'd make the final decision on such matters myself, as well.
The only thing I really have a problem with here is treating all issues as though they were black and white, that's always a terrible way to do things, no matter the topic at hand.
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Ryusui
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« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2008, 02:28:44 pm » |
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The only thing I really have a problem with here is treating all issues as though they were black and white, that's always a terrible way to do things, no matter the topic at hand.
Indeed. Without resorting to quoting Star Wars, that way of thinking turns you into Light Yagami...or worse, Brian Jacques. |
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Numonohi_Boi
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« Reply #56 on: January 08, 2008, 04:05:04 pm » |
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Brian Jacques? WTF?
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noneother
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« Reply #57 on: January 08, 2008, 04:39:52 pm » |
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Considering this is the one big news source and archive for the fan translation scene (and rom hacking in general) and there really isn't any alternative, I think it's a shame. We're talking about a totally legitimate and important translation being rejected behind some insane technical argument. You're all entitled to make bad decisions about the site you run, though. To me this just means that I can't be satisfied with just looking at the front page news to be informed of what's going on, or else I might actually miss some great stuff. Too bad.
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Ryusui
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« Reply #58 on: January 08, 2008, 06:08:59 pm » |
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Brian Jacques? WTF?
Just a little joke. Defending the decision to cast entire species as Always Chaotic Evil because "that's how Aesop did it" strains credibility after a while. |
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Shadowsithe
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« Reply #59 on: January 08, 2008, 06:14:15 pm » |
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Someone starts a project a month before the game comes out. Releases it a year after it does. Never tells anyone when he started it. I'm with Ryusui and byuu on this.
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