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Topic: Chrono Trigger: Crimson Echoes leaked (Read 2 times)
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Dragonsbrethren
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« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2009, 09:28:08 pm » |
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Square-Enix will only ever care if Final Fantasy VII gets hacked. 'fraid not; that's already been done. |
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Moulinoski
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« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2009, 08:17:28 am » |
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I mean in a storyline way, not in a bugfix or improvement patch... Perfect sense.
â– = Square
e = Enix
Or ■e, as it’s (sometimes not so) affectionately known in Japanese linkshells and discussion boards. “Squeenix†doesn’t sound like something you can say at the dinner table.
SKOO-IN-IX. Sounds like you have something in your throat. How'd you make that square show up? I'm guessing it's an ALT command..? ⌘C+⌘V, in true Interbutt fashion. Can’t get it with an ALT code, as far as I know. The Internet-savvy often do modify their IME’s so they can type in, say, “ã‹ãŠã‚‚ã˜â€ and select “∑(゜△゜;)†or whatever, as well as give themselves easy access to a variety symbols. Much easier than always having to find the thing in a list. Seems like the IME needs more than just right clicking on it to modify it... That was my first try  And I'm guessing you're using a Mac since Windows doesn't have the ⌘ button... Or maybe I'm confusing things...? |
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BRPXQZME
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« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2009, 11:38:59 am » |
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I use my MacBook any time I can get away with it. I could’ve said “ctrl+câ€, but then I’d be lyin’.
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FaustWolf
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« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2009, 04:56:05 pm » |
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With regard to the exact circumstances of the C&D against Crimson Echoes and the state of the Final Fantasy modding community, I think there are two differentiating factors at play.
1.) CE was to be released at a time at which Square Enix still stood to make money from a direct port of SNES Chrono Trigger. To some extent, CE was directly competing with a Square Enix product. If someone not only modded Final Fantasy VII into a sequel but did so within a year of a port of FFVII to the PSP, that group probably does stand a chance of garnering a C&D.
2.) Alienat0r. The CE team has largely left him unmentioned so as not to give him any fame, but he did claim to send a denunciation letter to Square Enix, and left evidence of doing so in advance of the C&D (specifically spreading disinformation about Crimson Echoes on a few disparate forums in April, which were later referred to in the denunciation email). Since there were no such circumstances surrounding the C&D delivered to the Chrono Resurrection team back in 2005 I can't really say that this was the most important factor in SE sending the C&D, but it is curious at least.
Fan project teams might do well to guard against the possibility of being sunk by sheer politics. During his time at the Chrono Compendium Alienat0r participated in at least one lower-level modding project (namely Magus Unmasked, where he's credited as a beta tester under the name "Dark Serge.") He may have felt frustrated at not being included more or something, and that may have motivated him. That's only my theory though, since he didn't really talk much after Magus Unmasked was released, so I really can't say what was going through his mind at the time.
I probably shouldn't even talk about this sort of thing because I worry about giving people ideas.
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« Last Edit: October 27, 2009, 05:01:32 pm by FaustWolf »
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Nerd42
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« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2009, 09:39:23 am » |
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Never fear, ladies and gentlemen. I happen to know that a new team is actively working on a huge, huge upgrade, which will come out "When It's Done." They are not giving names for obvious reasons. It may be a while, but the main point is that Square's tyranny will not win the day.
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Moulinoski
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« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2009, 10:28:01 am » |
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Well, I don't think it should be called tyranny... I they have a right to protect their IP...
I guess over-protectiveness would be better term? *shrug*
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Nerd42
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« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2009, 12:28:25 pm » |
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Well, I don't think it should be called tyranny... I they have a right to protect their IP...
I guess over-protectiveness would be better term? *shrug* No, it's tyranny. They aren't protecting their legitimate business interests. They're part of an evil system of oppression that is trying to control creativity and access to the past. Protecting their legitimate business interests would be fighting piracy by selling legal ROMs of their games and encouraging all good modifications as long as you buy the ROMs from the copyright holders. Instead of focusing on making the best games in a free and open, platform-independent competitive marketplace and meeting the substantial market demand for platform-independent ROMs, Nintendo is a tyrannical hardware monopoly, and Square-Enix is their puppet in this case. I love hardware manufacturers who make open platforms. I love commercial game developers who allow non-commercial modding. (as long as you buy the game) I love the fact that entrepreneurial game programmers have opportunity to become rich by selling their software. (Yes, even proprietary software, as long as they allow third party mods and patches) I hate closed platform litigation-obsessed tyrants like Square-Enix has proven to be by attacking their greatest fans who have done nothing but help advertise their products. Crimson Echoes was basically ADVERTISING GOLD for Square-Enix's DS release. All they had to do was email the Crimson Echoes developers and ask if they wanted to go commercial with their game - it could have easily been put out on Virtual Console or whatever the heck kind of store the DS has as a free download availible to those who had already bought Chrono Trigger and Square & Nintendo would have had a 100% PROFIT product ready to go with $0 in development costs which would probably have boosted sales of Chrono Trigger signifigantly. Why didn't they at least try this? Obvious answer: They're tyrants, who object to the fundamental idea that anyone who doesn't work for a megacorporation might want to try a little programming or that regular people might want to use the software THAT THEY PAID FOR on anything other than Nintendo's STUPID USELESS BOXES THAT MAKE NOISE AND PLUG INTO YOUR TV. In fact, given the mindset behind their policies, I'm surprised they're still letting you plug into unauthorized television models instead of forcing you to purchase a "Nintendovision" or some such crap. I dare Nintendo and Square-Enix to show where my logic is in any way flawed here. OK, enough rant. Sorry, I kinda did go a little overboard there. I suggest you read "Free Culture" by Lawrence Lessig. It's a free download. http://free-culture.cc/ I don't agree with everything he says but it's a great introduction to the issues. |
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« Last Edit: November 25, 2009, 01:02:44 pm by Nerd42 »
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GenoBlast
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« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2009, 12:31:00 pm » |
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evil system of oppression This owns. Also, I heard that Square Enix was the second shooter in the grassy knoll. |
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creaothceann
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« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2009, 01:37:08 pm » |
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All they had to do was email the Crimson Echoes developers and ask if they wanted to go commercial with their game - it could have easily been put out on Virtual Console or whatever the heck kind of store the DS has as a free download availible to those who had already bought Chrono Trigger and Square & Nintendo would have had a 100% PROFIT product ready to go with $0 in development costs which would probably have boosted sales of Chrono Trigger signifigantly. Why didn't they at least try this?
They still would have to check the work over, at least because as a paid product it has to live up to higher expectations. From what I've seen of the beta, its writing style was noticeably different from CT (and on a lower level, imo), so they might've decided to let a professional writer work on it. |
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Nerd42
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« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2009, 01:50:08 pm » |
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All they had to do was email the Crimson Echoes developers and ask if they wanted to go commercial with their game - it could have easily been put out on Virtual Console or whatever the heck kind of store the DS has as a free download availible to those who had already bought Chrono Trigger and Square & Nintendo would have had a 100% PROFIT product ready to go with $0 in development costs which would probably have boosted sales of Chrono Trigger signifigantly. Why didn't they at least try this?
They still would have to check the work over, at least because as a paid product it has to live up to higher expectations. I think it would have to be a free product, offered only to those who bought the original Chrono Trigger game. From what I've seen of the beta, its writing style was noticeably different from CT (and on a lower level, imo), so they might've decided to let a professional writer work on it. Yes. Apparently Chrono can talk, and not just in one ending but in the opening sequence. They could do what you suggest but wouldn't have to. It's not as if Square-Enix gives a crap about series canon when they reboot it after every Final Fantasy game. |
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kingofcrusher
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« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2009, 02:18:28 pm » |
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"Evil system of oppression", lol. Maybe, just maybe, Square didn't want some poorly-written fan-hack being associated with their IP when they are still releasing official ports, especially with all the attention CE was getting.
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DarkSol
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« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2009, 05:54:23 pm » |
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Well, I don't think it should be called tyranny... I they have a right to protect their IP...
I guess over-protectiveness would be better term? *shrug* No, it's tyranny. They aren't protecting their legitimate business interests. They're part of an evil system of oppression that is trying to control creativity and access to the past. Protecting their legitimate business interests would be fighting piracy by selling legal ROMs of their games and encouraging all good modifications as long as you buy the ROMs from the copyright holders. Instead of focusing on making the best games in a free and open, platform-independent competitive marketplace and meeting the substantial market demand for platform-independent ROMs, Nintendo is a tyrannical hardware monopoly, and Square-Enix is their puppet in this case. I love hardware manufacturers who make open platforms. I love commercial game developers who allow non-commercial modding. (as long as you buy the game) I love the fact that entrepreneurial game programmers have opportunity to become rich by selling their software. (Yes, even proprietary software, as long as they allow third party mods and patches) I hate closed platform litigation-obsessed tyrants like Square-Enix has proven to be by attacking their greatest fans who have done nothing but help advertise their products. Crimson Echoes was basically ADVERTISING GOLD for Square-Enix's DS release. All they had to do was email the Crimson Echoes developers and ask if they wanted to go commercial with their game - it could have easily been put out on Virtual Console or whatever the heck kind of store the DS has as a free download availible to those who had already bought Chrono Trigger and Square & Nintendo would have had a 100% PROFIT product ready to go with $0 in development costs which would probably have boosted sales of Chrono Trigger signifigantly. Why didn't they at least try this? Obvious answer: They're tyrants, who object to the fundamental idea that anyone who doesn't work for a megacorporation might want to try a little programming or that regular people might want to use the software THAT THEY PAID FOR on anything other than Nintendo's STUPID USELESS BOXES THAT MAKE NOISE AND PLUG INTO YOUR TV. In fact, given the mindset behind their policies, I'm surprised they're still letting you plug into unauthorized television models instead of forcing you to purchase a "Nintendovision" or some such crap. I dare Nintendo and Square-Enix to show where my logic is in any way flawed here. OK, enough rant. Sorry, I kinda did go a little overboard there. I suggest you read "Free Culture" by Lawrence Lessig. It's a free download. http://free-culture.cc/ I don't agree with everything he says but it's a great introduction to the issues. The law is the law. :police: You may not like copyright or trademark law, but that does not give you free reign to violate it on a whim. If Square-Enix wanted to prosecute the people doing these products in civil court for damaging their IP, they'd be well within the law to do so. |
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Moulinoski
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« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2009, 06:01:35 pm » |
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people might want to use the software THAT THEY PAID FOR on anything other than Nintendo's STUPID USELESS BOXES THAT MAKE NOISE AND PLUG INTO YOUR TV.
You do know that when you buy anything like a video, game, or CD, what you're buying is the right to use that ONE copy of the game, right? You're not buying the software, you're buying the right to use the software included in the physical product in the way the company you buy it from means for you to play it in. I don't like it either because I'd like to play my stuff in the same system, but that's how it is. |
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Numonohi_Boi
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« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2009, 06:03:15 pm » |
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It's not as if Square-Enix gives a crap about series canon when they reboot it after every Final Fantasy game.
they don't reboot canon after every FF game, every FF game happens on another planet in another universe, etc. but between FF sequels there is canon. I guess what I'm saying is you're saying they're not consistent in something that isn't supposed to be consistent. Garoth is right, read your EULA in your instruction manuals and weep. It's what you agreed to and paid for. |
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Tauwasser
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« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2009, 06:49:26 pm » |
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Garoth is right, read your EULA in your instruction manuals and weep. It's what you agreed to and paid for. While you are right with all the legal crap, keep in mind that a regular customers mind doesn't work that way. Also, EULAs are crap. I have come across some games/products that said by opening them I would agree to the EULA that is on the disk inside the package... While I don't contest the legal rationale behind EULAs, it does seem that you can write up anything in there unchecked and go fine with it as long as nobody sues. Nobody ever reads them, because it would require multiple hours to read and fully understand them (and the legal points therein, which not everybody is so familiar with). Also, clauses that state that certain points don't apply if illegal in some countries etc. confuse the hell out of everybody. Basically everybody just maneuvers around them best they can because it is so ridiculous that some game company can phone you up and want its stuff back, because you only had rights to use a physical copy of something for some time. Basically everybody will flip you the bird if you tell them that's what they signed up for. So while the legal standpoint is pretty clear, the question should be if it has to be accepted. cYa, Tauwasser |
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