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Kitsune Sniper
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« Reply #60 on: July 13, 2007, 07:39:19 pm »

Quote from: Spinner 8 on July 13, 2007, 07:12:19 pm
Quote from: Kitsune Sniper on July 13, 2007, 06:54:05 pm
... Or start a wiki of our own. That's what Wikia is for. We can add as much stuff as we can there, and we'll be sure it's mostly accurate because -we'll- be in charge of it.

Wow, I was just about to suggest that.

I don't know what wikia is, but I'd love to see a user-controlled site that dealt with the history of the entire community, on a site whose article on Princess Sally Acorn wasn't longer than Francis Ford Coppola's.

Preferably a site owned by someone in the community, of course.

Wikia used to be Wikicities a few years ago, Spinner. There's several Wikis there, ranging from Star Wars to Transformers. Even Uncyclopedia is hosted there! And it's free. The only limits are, of course, the usual "no porn, no warez" thing most sites have anyway.

So, who else likes this idea?
Maegra
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« Reply #61 on: July 13, 2007, 07:47:30 pm »

i vote yay
badwikipedia
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« Reply #62 on: July 13, 2007, 07:51:14 pm »

Quote from: byuu on July 13, 2007, 06:16:20 pm
The best thing to do is to move the information here and forget about this guy.
I agree.  He's already lost and no matter how hard he musters up a fight, he's still lost.  No point in belaboring it any longer.

That said, misterdiscreet is hardly representative of wikipedia and I think it's unfair to condemn an entire website for the actions of one person.  Atleast imho.
Kitsune Sniper
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« Reply #63 on: July 13, 2007, 08:09:04 pm »

Quote from: badwikipedia on July 13, 2007, 07:51:14 pm
Quote from: byuu on July 13, 2007, 06:16:20 pm
The best thing to do is to move the information here and forget about this guy.
I agree.  He's already lost and no matter how hard he musters up a fight, he's still lost.  No point in belaboring it any longer.

That said, misterdiscreet is hardly representative of wikipedia and I think it's unfair to condemn an entire website for the actions of one person.  Atleast imho.
It's not just one person. There's hundreds of people who do the same things he does.
Suzaku
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« Reply #64 on: July 13, 2007, 08:19:22 pm »

I vote yay. Why fight an uphill battle against people who really have no clue how the community works, how it functions, and what really constitutes a notable contribution? Much better to maintain something ourselves, for we actually know what the hell we're talking about, and we KNOW we know.
RedComet
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« Reply #65 on: July 13, 2007, 08:33:31 pm »

Quote from: Suzaku on July 13, 2007, 08:19:22 pm
I vote yay. Why fight an uphill battle against people who really have no clue how the community works, how it functions, and what really constitutes a notable contribution? Much better to maintain something ourselves, for we actually know what the hell we're talking about, and we KNOW we know.

But do we know that we know that we know? Wink
byuu
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« Reply #66 on: July 13, 2007, 08:50:09 pm »

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It's not just one person. There's hundreds of people who do the same things he does.

Yes, precisely. When we have as much power and say-so as people like this, we're only setting ourselves up for infinite battles like this. I am also in favor of setting up something controlled by us. I know a lot of scene history that was never included in any of the Wikipedia histories that I'd be willing to contribute.

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This really seems like something I should comment on, but I won't. Unless this counts as a comment.

I'd like to hear it. Perhaps in private message, then?
« Last Edit: July 13, 2007, 09:06:59 pm by byuu »
Talbain
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« Reply #67 on: July 13, 2007, 09:01:17 pm »

I vote Christopher Walken.

That being said, let's play some ping pong.  (I'm all for this idea, despite my bad jokes)
badwikipedia
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« Reply #68 on: July 13, 2007, 09:55:30 pm »

Well, I definitely think creating a wiki dedicated to rom hacking is a good idea Smiley

Additions by "insiders", like byuu, shouldn't be dismissed simply because they don't have links to back them up.  In fact, imho, their "insider" status should be enough, but for wikipedia, I don't think it is.

It's funny - if someone had an article about themselves on wikipedia, they'd probably not be allowed to correct even simple biographical information, without providing citations...
Maegra
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« Reply #69 on: July 13, 2007, 09:56:52 pm »

Quote from: badwikipedia on July 13, 2007, 09:55:30 pm
Well, I definitely think creating a wiki dedicated to rom hacking is a good idea Smiley

Additions by "insiders", like byuu, shouldn't be dismissed simply because they don't have links to back them up.  In fact, imho, their "insider" status should be enough, but for wikipedia, I don't think it is.

It's funny - if someone had an article about themselves on wikipedia, they'd probably not be allowed to correct even simple biographical information, without providing citations...

wouldn't is be self promotion to edit anything on your own wiki?
javiskefka
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« Reply #70 on: July 14, 2007, 12:56:21 pm »

I think it's worthwhile to put some effort into improving the article, if only because wikipedia has such a wide audience.  We must keep in mind that the site has certain standards for articles though.  For example, small details about individual translation projects should go into the articles for those games, and not the main article on fan translation.  Also, there are some standard ways to add references and links.  Wiki Markup can be a little tricky sometimes, but I know that we have some folks here who know a lot about web development.  Wikipedia makes extensive use of templates to keep the appearance of things standardized, so you often don't have to code that part yourself.  I spent 30 minutes yesterday figuring out how to combine the <ref> tag with the {cite} template, but it was worthwhile, because then I could improve the article on Resident registration number (South Korea)

The reason I put time into writing that article originally was because I saw that there was a lot of misunderstanding about the issue, and i thought that putting out some English-language information about it would be helpful.  I actually take some pride in having seen the article cited elsewhere Cheesy.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.  What should go into the article to improve it: more citations and references, information about translation to other destination languages besides English, maybe some technical information.  I think the lead part should be condensed and some of the information put into new sections.  Any other suggestions?

For a bunch of help on how to edit wikipedia, see Editing Wikipedia

edit: oops, I misplaced my closing bracket  Grin
« Last Edit: July 14, 2007, 01:18:55 pm by javiskefka »
RedComet
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« Reply #71 on: July 14, 2007, 01:04:33 pm »

javiskefka, your link is busted. I tried to copy and paste it into the address bar, but apparently the article doesn't exist. O_o
Kyrael Seraphine
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« Reply #72 on: July 14, 2007, 01:08:16 pm »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_registration_number_%28South_Korea%29?
Kitsune Sniper
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« Reply #73 on: July 14, 2007, 01:09:18 pm »

He messed up the link.

Try this.
RedComet
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« Reply #74 on: July 14, 2007, 01:09:37 pm »

That worked. I guess the "Resident registration number (South Korea)" on the end was mucking things up.
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