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Topic: Burning Playstation XA movie files - no audio when played on actual hardware? (Read 2 times)
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slowbeef
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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2009, 08:34:16 pm » |
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I'd like to do some more with this in a bit. Tomorrow, I'll bring a bunch of CD-Rs to work and use ImgBurn to force different speeds and see what results I get. I guess if it depends on the quality of the burner, though, maybe that's kind of a pointless experiment.
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vx
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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2009, 05:14:45 am » |
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I'd like to do some more with this in a bit. Tomorrow, I'll bring a bunch of CD-Rs to work and use ImgBurn to force different speeds and see what results I get. I guess if it depends on the quality of the burner, though, maybe that's kind of a pointless experiment.
No, I wouldn't say pointless as you'll know what works for you. I don't reccomend IMGBurn (not that Lighting UK's app is bad) I just reccomend Nero or an app that utilizes certain protections built into your firmware. CD-R: The best are Taiyo Yuden, the music industry has used them for years and turns out they were right. Top quality results, next to those I also like Verbatim. I hate Memorex, always had problems w/ them. Software: Nero, because it will utilize special technology built into firmware, though there are plenty of other good apps. Also be sure to use Nero's Tool that will give you a general look at the C1/C2 errors & beta Jitter (if there are any) as you don't want to guess when doing this type of testing. Not as extentive as plextools but should give you an idea. Writers: Without a doubt Plextor is top dog, best technology, etc. Pioneer is OK too. Speed: Well if you have a Plextor, use Nero and the Taiyo Tuden discs max speed is fine. What I like about Plextor is the abvility to use Plextools and do a media quality check for C1/C2/CU errors this will tell you if it's a bad burn. Anyway this really isn't the website for this, the burning experts hang out at: www.CDfreaks.com they have done heaps of tests, as I said opinions and results do vary.
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« Last Edit: February 17, 2009, 05:22:22 am by vx »
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Lleu
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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2009, 04:44:04 pm » |
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No, I wouldn't say pointless as you'll know what works for you. I don't reccomend IMGBurn (not that Lighting UK's app is bad) I just reccomend Nero or an app that utilizes certain protections built into your firmware. ... Software: Nero, because it will utilize special technology built into firmware, though there are plenty of other good apps. Also be sure to use Nero's Tool that will give you a general look at the C1/C2 errors & beta Jitter (if there are any) as you don't want to guess when doing this type of testing. Not as extentive as plextools but should give you an idea.
Any clarifications on what "special protections" and "special technologies" you're referring to? If you're talking about Burn-proof or SMART-burn, that's covered. I've used both and I'd take ImgBurn over Nero in a heartbeat. If you're authoring DVDs, transcoding and mastering music and such, Nero can be helpful, but for disc image burning I can't see any reason to recommend it over ImgBurn. I've had Nero crash on me more times than I can count (Nero 5 was the last version I considered good, and I've used up to version 7), but ImgBurn has never crashed on me. ImgBurn is lightweight and simple, and yet supports a plethora of advanced features. It's also free and doesn't try to integrate with your operating system. Nero Agent, anyone? I'm not saying that you're wrong. I'd just like to hear some concrete reason as to why you recommend a commercial product that's steadily gotten bigger and more bloated other than telling us that it's specially formulated to make us burn faster and better. If your reasons are good enough, I might even consider buying it myself.
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vx
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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2009, 06:02:37 pm » |
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Any clarifications on what "special protections" and "special technologies" you're referring to? If you're talking about Burn-proof or SMART-burn, that's covered.
Yep those types which vary from firmware to firmware, though generally do the samething. I've used both and I'd take ImgBurn over Nero in a heartbeat. If you're authoring DVDs, transcoding and mastering music and such, Nero can be helpful, but for disc image burning I can't see any reason to recommend it over ImgBurn. I've had Nero crash on me more times than I can count (Nero 5 was the last version I considered good, and I've used up to version 7), but ImgBurn has never crashed on me. ImgBurn is lightweight and simple, and yet supports a plethora of advanced features. It's also free and doesn't try to integrate with your operating system. Nero Agent, anyone?
I'm certainly not trying to be a Nero sales agent here, nor did I ever pay a dime for it (if you want to pay that's up to you) but I was talking about doing writing tests, I guess I should have clarified that huh? Nero is better for that since you can use Nero Tool etc. Yes it has more features, Nero 9 is too heavy for me...I still use Nero 7 for burning and recode (which was DVDshrink) and Vision for DVDs. I never had any version of Nero act unstable and crash on me (been using it since 3 back in 1998) so not sure what the issue was for you? If you want support for Nextgen media (BR and if you care about HDDVD), full DTS PAL/NTSC conversion etc. then yeah...as a stand alone burner, I like Nero but cannot say it writes better then any other app, except possibly? for some firmware technology support which varies from writer to writer. I support and love freeware, just don't use IMGburn as I don't have a need for it but won't say for general burning it's any better...not one to support any corps
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Karatorian
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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2009, 07:02:44 pm » |
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I suppose this is OT, but I just gotta put my two gil in. I agree with Lleu about Nero. It's pretty much utter garbage. I've never used ImgBurn (more a cdrtools guy), but I have had some experiance with Nero on various friends and relatives boxen and I hate it. Sure, when the stars align correctly, it does it's job, but when they don't, oy.
It's entirely too large for what it does. It's installation writes crap all over everywhere. It's uninstaller doesn't actually remove all of said crap. It behaves unstably if it doesn't like something about your setup (though who can tell what exactly). It uses too much resources to be of much use on older hardware. And it's expensive.
True story, a buddy of mine installed Nero and it wasn't working properly. So we unistalled it. Various parts didn't actually uninstall. It took a couple of hours with regedit and poking about various system directories to get it all. That was Nero 5. Recently had a similar experiance with Nero 7 (which is even larger and just as useless). Once again, the installer didn't cleanly remove it. This time we didn't bother tracking all the garbage down, just the obvious stuff.
It's utterly incompetant for a program to not uninstall cleanly. The fact that said program is also buggy and expensive moves it from poorly coded to fraud if you ask me.
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Lleu
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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2009, 09:42:56 pm » |
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Any clarifications on what "special protections" and "special technologies" you're referring to? If you're talking about Burn-proof or SMART-burn, that's covered.
Yep those types which vary from firmware to firmware, though generally do the samething. Okay, that's what I wanted to know. Those are supported in IMGBurn and many other applications, since you pretty much need them to burn DVDs or CDs at a fast speed. It used to be a big deal if those features were supported, but nowadays it's pretty standard for a burning application. I never had any version of Nero act unstable and crash on me (been using it since 3 back in 1998) so not sure what the issue was for you?
I've always kept rather a rather customized system, with nonstandard paths for system folders (program files, profile directories and the like), nonstandard settings, unusual software and drivers, multiple burning applications, etc. Nero just didn't seem to take very well to not being the only burning application installed on a standard windows installation. Also, it didn't take kindly to me declawing it periodically. I do imagine that it worked for somebody, though, since it's up to version 9 now. I'm glad you had a positive experience out of it. Most of what I found useful out of Nero were the free applications that aren't part of the suite. ImgBurn on the other hand can run entirely from any arbitrary directory or USB drive. Perfect for people like me, who run multiple OSes and reinstall periodically. If you want support for Nextgen media (BR and if you care about HDDVD), full DTS PAL/NTSC conversion etc. then yeah...as a stand alone burner, I like Nero but cannot say it writes better then any other app, except possibly? for some firmware technology support which varies from writer to writer.
I used to care about this until I saw the exorbitant and mandatory licensing fees involved in Blu-Ray movies. I'm hoping China's new HD format (CBHD, I think) picks up steam. Although it's not likely. I suppose this is OT, but I just gotta put my two gil in...
That's very similar to my experiences with the software. I also recall having problems with CD burning after they introduced DVD support. I don't remember what the exact errors were, though. Sorry for the thread detour, slowbeef. Just had a bit of curiosity, there. I'm done now, but please feel free to have any mods split the topic if you like.
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vx
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2009, 08:52:21 am » |
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I've always kept rather a rather customized system, with nonstandard paths for system folders (program files, profile directories and the like), nonstandard settings, unusual software and drivers, multiple burning applications, etc. Nero just didn't seem to take very well to not being the only burning application installed on a standard windows installation. Also, it didn't take kindly to me declawing it periodically. I do imagine that it worked for somebody, though, since it's up to version 9 now. I'm glad you had a positive experience out of it. Most of what I found useful out of Nero were the free applications that aren't part of the suite. ImgBurn on the other hand can run entirely from any arbitrary directory or USB drive. Perfect for people like me, who run multiple OSes and reinstall periodically. Nero always has problems w/ that, also screws up Audio DirectX plugins, I have had Adobe Audtion w/ Waves Budle crash after Nero's DirectX plugins were installed (I didn't even want that crap) and it always hated Direct Drive Writing apps. I keep all my dev/test PCs backed up w/ multiple O/S in Symantec Ghost formats (ya know standard QA setup) and my workstation clean, this way I don't run into issues and can easily run multiple O/S...though I find myself hardly using anything other then XP and Vista nowadays. I didn't know IMGburn ran off USB drives, I will certainly have to try that. I have used a few stand alone ISO burners and usually they are to lite and don't have enough features. Thanks Lleu & Karatorian for the opinion about Nero vs. IMGburn.
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slowbeef
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2009, 10:12:24 pm » |
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No need to apologize. This info is pretty helpful to me, insofar as knowing it's most likely the burn and not the build. Plus I'm sure I'll get blamed for it when we release anyway, so it's nice to know for the FAQ.
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