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Rai
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« on: March 21, 2007, 06:48:58 am »

Here's the thing, I was doing a translation of Tokimeki Memorial for PSX and I would very much like to finish it, however, doing what needs to be done to successfully translate this game is beyond my skiill level. You see, a lot of the text is uncompressed, but the thing is is that it uses two byte English characters(So you try putting one byte characters in there, and the text shows up blank). To fix this I would need a VWF for the game, but I have no idea how you would code a VWF, nor do I really have nany experience with PSX ASM, or ASM in general(Read a few docs, still don't understand it). So would someone be willing to do one for me? If a VWF gets done, I'll most definitely be able to finish hacking the game. I simply don't know if I could pull something like that off myself.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2007, 06:57:40 am by Rai »
RedComet
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2007, 07:12:37 am »

Quote from: Rai on March 21, 2007, 06:48:58 am
(So you try putting one byte characters in there, and the text shows up blank). To fix this I would need a VWF for the game

That's not what a VWF does. -_-

A VWF works on the way the text is displayed, not how it's stored.
Rai
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2007, 07:19:08 am »

Quote from: RedComet on March 21, 2007, 07:12:37 am
Quote from: Rai on March 21, 2007, 06:48:58 am
(So you try putting one byte characters in there, and the text shows up blank). To fix this I would need a VWF for the game

That's not what a VWF does. -_-

A VWF works on the way the text is displayed, not how it's stored.
So what would I need done to make 2 byte characters = one byte? Or change the length of two byte characters to one byte?

I'm basically trying to do this:
A(2 bytes)=A(1 byte)
RedComet
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2007, 07:20:58 am »

We've already been through this once.
Rai
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2007, 07:23:17 am »

Anyway, that's what I need someone to do for me. This is no where NEAR all the work, before someone tries and calls me out as lazy.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2007, 07:28:51 am by Rai »
RedComet
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2007, 07:31:36 am »

Quote from: Rai on March 21, 2007, 07:23:17 am
Alright, we'll that's what I need someone to do for me. Someone with far more experience.

Which isn't going to happen. The only reason I even contributed a VWF to your other project was I had hoped that it would motivate you to stick with it and learn the BASICS. Kawa no Nushi Tsuri 2 is extremely newbie friendly.

I knew I'd live to rue the day I did that...
Rai
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2007, 07:36:33 am »

Quote from: RedComet on March 21, 2007, 07:31:36 am
Quote from: Rai on March 21, 2007, 07:23:17 am
Alright, we'll that's what I need someone to do for me. Someone with far more experience.

Which isn't going to happen. The only reason I even contributed a VWF to your other project was I had hoped that it would motivate you to stick with it and learn the BASICS. Kawa no Nushi Tsuri 2 is extremely newbie friendly.

I knew I'd live to rue the day I did that...
Well, hey, not everybody has hours upon hours to learn this stuff for one game. Romhacking is a very miniscule part of my life. If you could learn it in a few hours, I might want to learn it.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2007, 07:44:06 am by Rai »
RedComet
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2007, 07:55:24 am »

Hours upon hours? Romhacking is a skill that takes time to learn. Did Jimmy Page pick up a guitar when he was a kid and fire off Stairway to Heaven? No. Did John Carmack sit down in front of a computer one day and just crank out Doom within 15 minutes? No. Did Michelangelo paint the Sistine Chapel in an afternoon? No. Did Champollion crack the Rosetta Stone instantly upon seeing it? No. And so on and so on.

The point is, anything worth doing or knowing requires you to invest a certain amount of time in it. That could be a few minutes a day or "hours upon hours". If you actually want to do/know it you'll make the investment. If not, then go watch TV or something.

Bottom line: If you're not willing to put in the time, then look into another hobby, because romhacking isn't for you.
Rai
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2007, 08:38:03 am »

Quote from: RedComet on March 21, 2007, 07:55:24 am
Hours upon hours? Romhacking is a skill that takes time to learn. Did Jimmy Page pick up a guitar when he was a kid and fire off Stairway to Heaven? No. Did John Carmack sit down in front of a computer one day and just crank out Doom within 15 minutes? No. Did Michelangelo paint the Sistine Chapel in an afternoon? No. Did Champollion crack the Rosetta Stone instantly upon seeing it? No. And so on and so on.

The point is, anything worth doing or knowing requires you to invest a certain amount of time in it. That could be a few minutes a day or "hours upon hours". If you actually want to do/know it you'll make the investment. If not, then go watch TV or something.

Bottom line: If you're not willing to put in the time, then look into another hobby, because romhacking isn't for you.
I romhack because I want to see games translated, not to learn ASM. But to be honest, learning it honestly can't take that long. It's actually applying it to what you have to do that takes long, but learning it doesn't seem like it would be hard. It can't be that hard to change a games font routine, theoretically all you'd need to do is find the font scheme, and change it so that a particular place in the font equals one instead of two.

Also, don't try to compare this to learning a musical instrument or something, that's something COMPLETELY different. Trust me I play 5 different instruments, 3 of them very fluently. Those other things are also in a completely different realm than romhacking. Sure learning ASM will take time, but it's nothing compared to those other things.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2007, 08:45:53 am by Rai »
Suzaku
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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2007, 08:48:54 am »

Quote from: Rai on March 21, 2007, 08:38:03 am
I romhack because I want to see games translated, not to learn ASM. But to be honest, learning it honestly can't take that long. It's actually applying it to what you have to do that takes long, but learning it doesn't seem like it would be hard. It can't be that hard to change a games font routine, theoretically all you'd need to do is find the font scheme, and change it so that a particular place in the font equals one instead of two.

Also, don't try to compare this to learning a musical instrument or something, that's something COMPLETELY different.

So...go do it. If it's not going to take that long, and can't be that hard, then your argument of "oh, I don't want to spend hours and hours on it." doesn't hold a lot of water. It's becoming pretty clear with every new project you pick up that, while you want to see games translated, you don't want to put forth any real effort to that end. You keep saying how easy it is, and how much ASM you know, but you then turn around and tell us that you don't feel like doing it yourself. If you're not willing to actually do the work, or learn how to do it when you don't already know, then why the hell should anyone help you? As the saying goes, put up or shut up.
Rai
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2007, 08:53:54 am »

If I do it myself, I won't need help from anyone else. Plus what's this about changing the font routine being ALL the work? Translating and changing the font is not all the work. Seriously though, as long as the font routine is logical, and I can make sense of how it works, it shouldn't be hard. I've done some programming work, so I'm fairly good with logic.
RedComet
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2007, 09:04:05 am »

Quote from: Rai on March 21, 2007, 08:38:03 am
I romhack because I want to see games translated, not to learn ASM.

Okay, so you want to see games translated but you don't want to invest the time it takes to get them translated. Gotcha.

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But to be honest, learning it honestly can't take that long. It's actually applying it to what you have to do that takes long, but learning it doesn't seem like it would be hard. It can't be that hard to change a games font routine, theoretically all you'd need to do is find the font scheme, and change it so that a particular place in the font equals one instead of two.

I'll echo Suzaku's sentiments: then do it.

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Also, don't try to compare this to learning a musical instrument or something, that's something COMPLETELY different. Trust me I play 5 different instruments, 3 of them very fluently. Those other things are also in a completely different realm than romhacking.

Seeing as how I've played musical instruments before as well, I think it's a valid analogy. They're both skills and to do either with any degree of proficiency you have to invest a fair amount of time. Same goes with the others.

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Sure learning ASM will take time, but it's nothing compared to those other things.

I gotta hear this.

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If I do it myself, I won't need help from anyone else. Plus what's this about changing the font routine being ALL the work? Translating and changing the font is not all the work.

Did anyone say that "changing the font routine being ALL the work"?
KaioShin
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2007, 09:13:53 am »

Why do all threads created by Rai look the same?
Nightcrawler
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2007, 10:04:24 am »

Ugh... This is going to get locked soon, I can smell it.

Rai.. you're logic is just plain illogical...

Being a skilled ROM hacker takes just as much time as ANY other skill including instruments. It's a fact of life in this hobby. All the best ROM hackers in our community got that way by investing MANY hours of their time. It's just like becoming a great pianist, a great cook, a great carpenter etc.. Time and practice are necessary. 'Theoretically', all you need to know is how to press keys to play the piano, how to use sand paper, saws, and nails, for carpentry, or stick ingredients in a bowl and use the oven for cooking. So why isn't everyone a master at these 'easy' tasks? Because the application of the sub skills to the main goal takes alot of time to master.

You want to ROM hack because you want to see games translated. New flash, to do that, you're going to need to learn skill sets such as assembly to any advanced work. Why are you even trying if you refuse to learn the necessary skills to accomplish the goal?

If you put just as much time into your ROM hacking as you did your instruments, you'd be well on your way. I also play an instrument. I'm not too great at it. Why do you think that is? It's because I don't practice, learn, or spend as much time on it as I have with ROM hacking. if I did, I'm confident that I would be a MUCH better player no doubt. I don't have much natural talent toward instruments, but I'm not retarded. With enough time invested, I can learn to play. I may never be able to achieve the same level as the best in the world, but I can still be successful at the skills.

ROM hacking is no different than any other learned skill.

You say you don't have hours and hours to learn to ROMhack. It's your choice what you use your time to learn. You can't use that as an excuse that you're not able to learn another skill. You DO have the time so long as your alive. You can't learn everything, so you have to pick and choose. If you want to be a ROM hacker, you have to devote some time to do it. If you are not willing to devote the time to it, and other things are more important, than so be it. But, you're NOT going to become a good ROM hacker that way.

Take 1 hour a day, everyday and dedicate that to ROM hacking. You may not master it this week, this month, or this year, but if you invest the time you'll get there. It took me 4 years to finish Wozz with the limited time I have. Some others are even in a worse position with free time. You just have to deal with the fact that things don't happen overnight. If you really want them to progress more quickly, you have to devote more time.

Again, it's the same as ANY other skill. You can't expect to get good at anything you don't invest time in. You choose what's most important to you to learn. Obviously ROM hacking isn't very important to you, and that's fine, but don't waste other people's time if you're not going to invest any.

You still have a very immature mindset when it comes to these things. Think about what you're saying. You want to be a ROM hacker, but you don't want to invest any time into. That's completely illogical. You really DON'T want to be a ROM hacker. You can't be bothered with what it takes to do it. That's the truth. You want other people to do all the real time consuming work for you.
Lenophis
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2007, 01:15:22 pm »

Quote from: RedComet on March 21, 2007, 07:31:36 am
I knew I'd live to rue the day I did that...
Cry

Quote from: Rai on March 21, 2007, 07:36:33 am
Well, hey, not everybody has hours upon hours to learn this stuff for one game. Romhacking is a very miniscule part of my life. If you could learn it in a few hours, I might want to learn it.
You can't learn that low level of thing in "just a few hours." Period. Although, and I find this kind of ironic, from the first post you've made about "help me zomg compression," which I believe was well over a year ago at Acmlm's; if you had started learning then about what you actually needed to do, and actually put forth the effort to do what you needed to we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Why? Because you would actually know what you keep wanting to know. Strange, isn't it?

Since you practically sat on RedComet's gift, your chances of getting help ever again from anybody have dropped to near-zero. Congratulations, you brought this on yourself.

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I love when I screw up tags. Grin Errr, wait...
« Last Edit: March 21, 2007, 02:30:12 pm by Lenophis »
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