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Zeality
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« on: November 15, 2006, 06:10:41 pm » |
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I'm trying to get a flawless ROM to make the new build of Crimson Echoes on. How can I use GoodSNES to check the data integrity? I'm not having much luck making the program do anything.
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MegaManJuno
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2006, 07:51:28 pm » |
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Personally, I'd recommend something other than the Goodxxxx tools, but if that's the one you want to use, try giving GoodGUI a try. It provides a graphical front end to the GoodTools that might help you with sorting it all out.
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Zeality
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2006, 10:54:01 pm » |
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Sure; we can definitely use something else. As we edit these days, we're going to send .Flux exports with MD5 checksums, so no integrity measure is too obsessive for us.
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Kitsune Sniper
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2006, 01:02:11 am » |
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I'm trying to get a flawless ROM to make the new build of Crimson Echoes on. How can I use GoodSNES to check the data integrity? I'm not having much luck making the program do anything.
*twitch* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! GoodSNES... to check the data... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Aheh. Eheh. I don't remember the name of the tool, but there's another rom checking program that uses redumped roms to validate data. I forget what its name is, someone else must know. |
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creaothceann
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2006, 01:48:54 am » |
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NSRT
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Malias
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2006, 01:49:47 am » |
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MegaManJuno
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2006, 02:08:00 am » |
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Yeah, NSRT is one of the other ones I was thinking of...
Even OfflineList would be a better candidate than GoodSNES, in my opinion, as at least that one only really seems to focus on good dumps (at least from what I recall seeing of it) -- no bad dumps, over dumps, pre-patched hacks & translations and so on.
So by using something else, the chance of finding out that the ROM you thought was a good dump was actually a bad dump, and the REAL good dump is mislabeled as bad dump #2 becomes much less likely (I only mention this because I've heard of this issue with a few ROMs in the past in the GoodTools sets from a few different sources).
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Nightcrawler
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2006, 09:16:01 am » |
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I'm going to be a troll on my own board, but it must be said.  GoodSNES is a slap in the face to our community. Use it and you slap us in the face too. Personally, I don't take kindly to getting slapped in the face.  Do everybody a favor and use NSRT. |
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byuu
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2006, 11:14:59 am » |
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GoodSNES is a slap in the face to our community. Use it and you slap us in the face too. Personally, I don't take kindly to getting slapped in the face. Do everybody a favor and use NSRT. Quoted for truth. Seriously, even as cynical as I am of Nach's JMA, NSRT is a fantastic tool. You even get the added bonus of a team who actually knows how to romanize Japanese text! Let's put an end to all of the "RPG Tukool" ROMs floating around, once and for all, and use NSRT  |
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Zeality
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2006, 12:04:01 pm » |
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Yar, I will. Guess I'll get back to planning music insertions now. Thanks.
Edit: Okay, it says the checksum is good. For the rest of the CE team, should I make sure their ROM checksums equal mine? I'm worried about corruption issues with patches.
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« Last Edit: November 16, 2006, 12:24:18 pm by Zeality »
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Feitan
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2006, 12:30:50 pm » |
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Let's put an end to all of the "RPG Tukool" ROMs floating around, once and for all, and use NSRT ROTLMAO!!1! :laugh: |
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d4s
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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2006, 04:38:45 pm » |
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if in doubt, i usually acquire an original copy of the game im working on and redump it myself.
by the time i was working on marvelous for example, there was no good dump available iirc.
personally, i do care about people trying to make money off my work, like selling cartridges with my translation patches on ebay (or prepatched cartridges in general) and i usually try to shut them down, which works fine most of the time.
i couldnt care less about goodsnes distributing prepatched roms though, it doesnt really matter anymore for a platform as old as the snes from a legal point of view. actually, i kinda like the idea that my patches will live on in these rom-collections instead of vanishing into obscurity and becoming forgotten by the time the actual patch isnt hosted anywhere anymore.
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« Last Edit: November 16, 2006, 04:43:51 pm by d4s »
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byuu
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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2006, 06:16:25 pm » |
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For me, it's more about the fact that Cowering won't remove translation patches at the authors' request. In fact, he's been needlessly rude about it. The author's readmes and credits are being omitted, attention to said translator's website is being lost (eg to get news on future patches / bugfixes, pass on complements / concerns, etc), unpatching is not possible with IPS (eg for patch upgrades), and it's more likely to draw legal attention. Sure, it hasn't happened yet. But distributing an IPS patch that does nothing without the ROM gives a lot less motivation to sue the creator of a translation than seeing said translated ROM, fully patched, floating around all over the internet. Given, it still isn't the translator's fault that sites are distributing the patched ROMs; but if the companies catch wind of this and decide to sue, they'll most likely win. We already have the Berne Convention against us, we don't need copyright infringement added to that list.
I'm glad Cowering did what he did, though. It exposed the problem now. Anyone could come along in the future and be the next Cowering. So, I released one complete translation myself that will be hopelessly distributed with the only mention of me being on four small 8x8 tiles. Fool me once, shame on you. Regardless if Cowering ever changes his ways, it won't happen again, now that I know better.
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Pepper
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2006, 06:43:41 pm » |
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I think both sides are have valid points. Goodstools are designed to recognize what you have, and not to be a vehicle of distribution. Unfortunately, for people like Byuu, rom sites are distributing their work in a manner that they do not approve of. I think the true enemies here are all the rom sites, but they will never respect anyones wish considering they are already illegally(?) distributing roms. Here are some comments from Cowering that have some relevance to the discussion here. Just for an example. Whenever I upgrade the scanners in my tools (and I mean pattern recognizers, not simple crc makers), certain images that were scanning ok before no longer scan. Upon investigation, I can find out that the file is really a bad dump, or rarely, not a dump for this particular tool at all.
No one seems to give a crap about all the extra, hard work I put into constantly refining the tools. Morons on some sites say they are 'DOS ONLY', some extra stupid people flame my names and redump info and don't even contact me directly to try and help (morons in this group include Guru among others)
MY personal GoodTool.exe can scan ALL systems and plop the roms into the right folder based on system. When a file matches more than one system, either i've got it in the wrong tool, or I have to examine the CPU code more to find a specific pattern set that one system has (harder than you think!). I never release that one because supporting it with all the possible drive/network combinations would be impossible.
And, BTW, I do contribute code from GoodTools to many projects when needed. Check out MESS, ZSNES, UCON64, DGEN, and many others for snippits of GoodTools.
Finally, the reason people make dats from GoodTools data is that my sets are always the 'cleanest' around (at least at the time of release). All the years of knowledge and testing gets ripped off from my work and blindly included in a dat and no one has a clue that this 'dat' is any worse than the original GoodTool.
I get soooo pissed when some idiot sends me email wanting to know why his 'good' rom won't match up to something in a dat. I just erase those mails now.
Even MORE pitiful are the translation authors who mail me to bitch about why their "Gamename (J) [T+Eng][b1]" is in a tool. Well, obviously it's a translation that crashs or does not seem to translate anything. If the authors would realize I DON'T catalog what I don't have, then they would realize that SOMEONE ELSE patched the ROM and started distroing it without all the readmes included. No GoodTools is able to do such a thing, and in fact, I never rename files inside a zip in order to preserve readmes (and that is the #1 most asked for feature for GoodTools). When an author of a translation does not specifically list the CRC32/SHA1 of his 'proper' ROM, and does not tell you which IPS program to use, you are GOING to get bad patched ROMS because some IPS appliers are just plain crap when working with some types of ROMS. So these hypocritical authors (who are probably using a 'best dump' to translate via one of my Tools giving them the lowdown on which dumps are known bad) can just kiss my ass. They would not even HAVE ROMS to translate without people like me spending huge $$$ to save carts before they rot away.
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Kitsune Sniper
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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2006, 07:07:42 pm » |
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Even MORE pitiful are the translation authors who mail me to bitch about why their "Gamename (J) [T+Eng][b1]" is in a tool. Well, obviously it's a translation that crashs or does not seem to translate anything. If the authors would realize I DON'T catalog what I don't have, then they would realize that SOMEONE ELSE patched the ROM and started distroing it without all the readmes included. No GoodTools is able to do such a thing, and in fact, I never rename files inside a zip in order to preserve readmes (and that is the #1 most asked for feature for GoodTools). When an author of a translation does not specifically list the CRC32/SHA1 of his 'proper' ROM, and does not tell you which IPS program to use, you are GOING to get bad patched ROMS because some IPS appliers are just plain crap when working with some types of ROMS. So these hypocritical authors (who are probably using a 'best dump' to translate via one of my Tools giving them the lowdown on which dumps are known bad) can just kiss my ass. They would not even HAVE ROMS to translate without people like me spending huge $$$ to save carts before they rot away.
Which is funny because I HAVE ADDED THE CRC DATA TO THE READMES and the idiot still adds the badly patched games. Way to blame others for your stupidity. |
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