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Nightcrawler
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« on: April 02, 2009, 08:53:03 am »

Those of you familiar with my work probably notice I use the same fonts and rarely change. That's because I hate finding and choosing fonts. I'm pretty indifferent to them and when I find one that's nice and readable and looks OK, I cling to it until I cannot use it anymore.

So... I've been working on Tenshi No Uta and the billions of menu screens in the game. It's just not going to be possible to use the fat font I'm using for the main dialog and main menu. See below:

Main Menu:
http://transcorp.parodius.com/newsimages/newsimage83a.png

Dialog:
http://transcorp.parodius.com/newsimages/newsimage86b.png


Looks all nice... NOW... let's look at the menus:

http://www.romhacking.net/misc/tenshifont1.png

'Magic' is actually reused tiles from the main menu, so it's going to stay fat. However, the rest is not. The font is too fat to list the necessary words. The character's name is to the left there and that's going to need to be even more scrunched to fit longer names. A description is printed in the bottom box and middle box lists items/magic/etc. in two columns similar to this, but in two columns:

http://www.romhacking.net/misc/tenshifont2.png

We've also got battle screens like this:

http://www.romhacking.net/misc/tenshifont3.png


So... I need help with finding a font (preferably already VWF friendly) that will fit this game. I guess it's going to have to be thin to fit the required stuff on the menus. There's not a lot of opportunity for rearranging much of anything. Screen space can be all used up in many cases. There are just tons of packed menu screens in this game using more than one font size with several different printing routines. I'd like to choose one font use it for all the menus, shops etc.. Any suggestions?

The screenshots I took are just from the beginning of the game. I don't have any saves available from later on right now to show just how packed the screens get. Making the font thin and turn somewhere around 10 font routines into VWF is about the best that I can likely do. This game is seriously trying my patience. The menus are going to be slow in full VWF.
Gemini
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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2009, 10:45:02 am »

What about this?

It's one of my usual thin fonts, modified to fit more the style of another 8x8 I was using for menus in FF6.

Mockup with Tenshi no Uta:
Tauwasser
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2009, 12:30:11 pm »



That's what I use for 8x8. So if you happen to come across a menu that uses that... Yeah, it's probably not the best font in the world, but it saves a ton of screen space Smiley

cYa,

Tauwasser
Nightcrawler
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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2009, 11:53:13 am »

Thanks Gemini. I might try it out. It might be a bit on the short side.  Though going taller usually means wider to maintain readability. What's the source of your font prior to you modifying it out of curiosity?

Tauwasser:
Going to 8x8 would surely save screen space, but that's likely not to look good. There was no 8x8 text on the menus. It would leave a lot of gaps.
Tauwasser
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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2009, 12:24:35 pm »

Yeah, that's why I said if you later found a menu that uses 8x8 Wink

cYa,

Tauwasser
BRPXQZME
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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2009, 12:31:19 pm »

*Mumble mumble* who says the letters never need to touch?



This is just a mock-up rather than an actual font; it is, in fact, Gemini’s mockup in disguise. If I were doing a font from scratch, I probably wouldn’t make it this extreme, but the lower case letters can actually be taller/skinnier if you add serifs/embellishments and let them run into each other in carefully-planned ways.

It looks worse the closer you go in, but it’s the same dirty trick Microsoft’s been using since the Windows 3 days, so I figure it works.
Gemini
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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2009, 01:03:28 pm »

Quote from: Nightcrawler on April 03, 2009, 11:53:13 am
What's the source of your font prior to you modifying it out of curiosity?
IIRC, this should be the closest thing to the original font:

It's an edit of one of Windows' fonts, but I can't remember the name anymore. I made the thing one pixel thinner and that's the result. By the way, only the basic alphanumeric characters are from that Windows font; the rest are made from scratch.
Nightcrawler
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2009, 08:03:08 am »

Do you or Tau want to add your fonts to the Font Archive for all to use?

As a note on this, I haven't done anything on this yet for Tenshi. I've been unable to get back to work on it physically most of the past two months.
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