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RyanfromScotland
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« on: December 15, 2007, 08:49:29 am »

I guess really to be more traditional this topic should have been called something along the lines of "The Super Great Hyper Helpful Helpful Japanese Topic-o" but I decided against that.

I'm not completely new to Japanese but I'd deffinatly still class myself as a beginner however despite this fact I'm going on to give a game translation a bash. Like many others before me I thought this would be a good idea and a good way to learn some new things in ROMHacking as well as learning Japanese, you can't beat 2 for 1. Although I never considered the fact that this may mean I now have the difficulty of learning ROMHacking coupled with the difficulty of learning Japanese which is what has really happened.

But that's not why I made this topic!

I have came across a couple of things (ok 1 thing so far) that the average JORDAN (Japanese Orintated ROMHacker Distinguishably Also Newbie) may find useful and I thought it may come in handy if there was a topic kicking about to share such finds.

Here's the first thing I found when I got side tracked looking for a Kanji

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-9g-49-en-70-198v.html - A Japanese -> English -> Japanese Dictionary for the Nintendo DS. When I first heard about the DS I thought it would be really handy for exactly this and now here it is. One of the most handy features is you can draw a kanji onto it and it'll translate it for you. I haven't actually bought it yet but I plan to in January so I'll make a better post about it then.

http://kanjidict.stc.cx/dict - A Kanji dictionary that allows searching by similar shape so you can slowly work your way to the kanji your looking for despite not being able to type or pronounce it

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie6/downloads/recommended/ime/default.mspx IME the application that lets you type in foriegn fonts on english keyboards, very useful in lots of places.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2007, 01:23:27 pm by RyanfromScotland »
RyanfromScotland
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2007, 12:52:36 pm »

Ok I was looking through the topics to see what sorts of problems people came up against when translating but I started on page 2 instead of page 1 (the idea being page 1 is probably full of active or unresolved problems) and subsequently didn't notice the other, very similar topic below >_< D'oh. However I wouldn't mind keeping this one open for people to add useful things to.
SeekerOfPeace
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2007, 11:44:29 pm »

Finding the meaning of a Kanji is really not that hard.

There's a really powerful handwritting function in Word:



Knowing the Kanji is only part of the battle won. Understanding the grammar and particles is the most vital thing.
Spikeman
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2007, 04:47:16 am »

Quote from: SeekerOfPeace on December 15, 2007, 11:44:29 pm
There's a really powerful handwritting function in Word

How does one get to this?
SeekerOfPeace
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2007, 07:32:39 am »

Just install the Japanese IME by Microsoft.

It's right there:



If you still can't find it, I'll explain in depth.
RyanfromScotland
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2007, 08:47:28 am »

I hadn't thought about stroke recognition software before posting the link above but I'll add a link to some at a later point.

I don't use Word I use Open Office, away to check if it has the same feature... hmmm interesting...

It looks like my IME version is different from yours, the graphics certainly are and the menu. When I click the button 2 left of the Help menu it brings the IME Pad window up without any other menu. I gave it a little try and drew a kanji and it brought similar ones up but there was no help as to there meaning, am I just missing a dictionary button somewhere?
SeekerOfPeace
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2007, 09:14:05 am »

I made a mistake by the way.

The handwritting doesn't have anything to do with Word. It's integrated in the IME.



I wrote the kanji above using the "handwriting tool".

You could use it in Open Office if you wanted to.

I have Windows XP by the way, maybe that's why you don't have the same options as I do.

To answer your question: No there's no dictionary. It's a handwriting tool, not a dictionary.

But you can still paste your kanji in any other third party dictionary. I recommend:

JQuickTrans

It's proven very useful so far.
RyanfromScotland
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2007, 09:39:57 am »

Ah right, I got a bit confused from the first comment you posted.

I'm running Vista so yeah that's probably where the differences stem from. This one does have a 'dictionary tool' in the tools menu but it looks like you need to link it to a seperate dictionary or fill it out yourself since there's no entries in it!

Haven't used JQuickTrans and not really at the stage to just now either although if I give up trying to find the data I may just go and translate screenshots instead of the actual rom.
SeekerOfPeace
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2007, 08:51:37 pm »

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Haven't used JQuickTrans and not really at the stage to just now either although if I give up trying to find the data I may just go and translate screenshots instead of the actual rom.

Hmm.. bad idea.

I tried that myself but it's fiendishly slow. I hope you don't have much text, otherwise be prepared for a LONG translation.

Best of luck.
RyanfromScotland
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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2007, 08:59:44 pm »

Na there is hardly any as far as I know (I haven't actually completed the game so not 100% sure, there may be some end boss who goes on and on.)
theonlycorey
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2007, 10:17:50 pm »

Hmm, useful Japanese stuff.

Linux users like myself? We don't have a Windows IME, so instead we use SCIM, you can add the Japanese input in your language options in your prefrences/system settings. Real simple.

Japanese to English, and English to Japanese site ---> http://www.rikai.com/perl/Home.pl --> good for translating kanji (adds furigana to kanji, plus gives you their meaning), not a bad dictionary if you are in need.

JWPCE (Japanese Word Processor) --> Has an awesome dictionary function ---> http://www.physics.ucla.edu/~grosenth/jwpce.html
 If you have a Pocket PC, or Smart Phone you can get JWPCE for it also, which also takes advantage of hand writing recognition.

Jim Breens Dictionary, one of the best online dictionaries ---> http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/wwwjdic.html (HAS A HANDWRITING RECOGNITION SYSTEM FOR KANJI) (If you use the handwriting system you need to write fairly big, as if you were writing on a real sheet of calligraphy paper, or else the system will have a hard time finding the kanji):::: For example, I took a picture, you should make sure you write in PROPORTION, or else the recognition is kind of poor.
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6616/screenshotur4.jpg Also, there is a bug on my browser, if you are writing a stroke and move your mouse outside of the box, it will not stop drawing that one stroke... so as you write, stay in the box. This is a very new feature online, so I expect he will update it a lot. I am sure many people will use it.

Also, for Linux there is Kanjipad, which is a free installable handwriting interface for kanji.

Hmm, that is all that I can think of as of right now.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2007, 10:36:21 pm by theonlycorey »
Spikeman
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2007, 04:52:47 am »

I can't find a link to the handwriting recognition thing on that site, can you point me in the right direction?

Edit: Nevermind; found it: http://kanji.sljfaq.org/draw.html
theonlycorey
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2007, 01:39:53 pm »

Quote from: Spikeman on December 24, 2007, 04:52:47 am
I can't find a link to the handwriting recognition thing on that site, can you point me in the right direction?

Edit: Nevermind; found it: http://kanji.sljfaq.org/draw.html

The recognition is a bit touchy on it. I prefer this, http://www.gtk.org/~otaylor/kanjipad/

It works DAMN well. However, Windows suckers can't use it haha. God I love Linux.

PS, I recommend JWPCE more than any other Japanese dictionary (except my denshi jisho). It is FREE, works on ANY operating system (even pocket PCs). It is simple, can look up kanji if need be.

This is the kind of denshi jisho I have --> http://store.aikotradingstore.com/caeljadi.html
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