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Author Topic: So it's pretty much done now.  (Read 743 times)
Ryusui
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« on: December 12, 2006, 04:40:56 am »

Well, I've finally put the finishing touches on that project: the VWF has been debugged with Tauwasser's help, the ending credits have been revised to reflect beta testers, omissions and changes around RHDN in the two months since the beta started, and I even fixed a bug (that nobody warned me of >_>) where I had accidentally left Emma Furbanks doing debug functions when she should have been explaining how to grow flowers.

That said, one of those changes is D's exile, and with that in mind I'm uncomfortable releasing my patch in NINJA format, as I originally planned. (Not to mention applying a NINJA patch on a Mac could count as Hercules' long-lost 13th labor. I discovered this the hard way when I sent a copy of the beta patch to the webmaster of sylvanian-families.net, who happens to own one. I broke down and e-mailed her an IPS instead.)

The obvious choice, of course, is to bite the bullet and go with the tried, tested and borderline obsolescent IPS format, but I'm not sure I want to go ahead with that...I want my patch to be, however quixotically, part of the "next wave": I want to release it in the most likely "successor" format to IPS, and it seems that championing NINJA for this cause would be quixotic in and of itself now.

Any recommendations? Or should I just go for plain ol' IPS?
RedComet
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2006, 06:06:16 am »

I'd say, for the time being, release it in both IPS and NINJA. I released a couple patches in NINJA only format prior to all hte drama and I'm gonna go back and repackage the patches with both the IPS and NINJA patch. Since it doesn't seem like NINJA's going to reach the target audience as easily (or maybe it will; I hope so), it's better to err on the side of caution, in my opinion. At least then you can satisfy both camps, those of us who use NINJA (like me, because I love the descriptions in the patch) and those who still use IPS who don't see the reason to upgrade their .NET framework just to be able to patch 1 or 2 games.
deespence2929
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2006, 06:18:03 am »

I'd like to read up on this NInja patching stuff if there was a link or something. But yeah, if a ips patch can do the trick I don't see a need to update. I imagine perhaps this ninja patch will work on N64 games or something, I can't see any other reason the ninja patches would exist.
Piotyr
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2006, 06:21:37 am »

I missed this D's exile thing mind giving me the downlow? Also Imo just because someone who made somethings a douche does not mean his work is bad.
I suggest releasing both and trying to get others to do so as well. Ninja is a great format and we don't really want to be the ones who stop it from being wide spread.
RedComet
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2006, 07:40:02 am »

Quote from: Piotyr on December 12, 2006, 06:21:37 am
I missed this D's exile thing mind giving me the downlow? Also Imo just because someone who made somethings a douche does not mean his work is bad.
I suggest releasing both and trying to get others to do so as well. Ninja is a great format and we don't really want to be the ones who stop it from being wide spread.

Except that going to D's site from RHDN is blocked. It's kind of hard to get behind a new standard and promote it for widespread use when you can't link to the site for it.
Piotyr
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2006, 07:51:18 am »

Quote from: RedComet on December 12, 2006, 07:40:02 am
Quote from: Piotyr on December 12, 2006, 06:21:37 am
I missed this D's exile thing mind giving me the downlow? Also Imo just because someone who made somethings a douche does not mean his work is bad.
I suggest releasing both and trying to get others to do so as well. Ninja is a great format and we don't really want to be the ones who stop it from being wide spread.

Except that going to D's site from RHDN is blocked. It's kind of hard to get behind a new standard and promote it for widespread use when you can't link to the site for it.

That sounds pretty stupid... After thinking along time I don't have much else to say on the matter.
Well you have the program hosted here as well hmm? Just explain the whole thing on the programs page and tell them how to get into the site.
snesmaster40
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2006, 07:53:08 am »

IMO just use IPS. It's more popular than NINJA.
Piotyr
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2006, 10:14:30 am »

Quote from: snesmaster40 on December 12, 2006, 07:53:08 am
IMO just use IPS. It's more popular than NINJA.
Only because its more wide spread, kinda like beta and vhs. Betas better but vhs is more popular.
Nightcrawler
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2006, 11:07:11 am »

Ryusui, it's your personal choice whether you want to use NINJA or not. I'm not going to tell you if you should or should not. I can tell you a few things though as far as this site goes and NINJA. We have already announced that we will no longer be promoting or supporting NINJA. So, the movement that was in place to push this is over. The reasons should be obvious. But, for those in the dark; we cannot push support for a format by an author that doesn't support the site or community. Especially due to the fact that he goes out of his way to go AGAINST it now. That's the difference maker right there. How could we possibly support that?

NINJA made it as far as it did because of community support. RHDN community support. Because of all of us. It's a sad fact that the author turned his back on the community that helped give his patching format a chance to trample IPS.

Instead, new formats should be evaluated for site promotion and support by authors who care about the community and will not act in such childish ways. Something that will continue to be developed  in the direction the community needs. That is the direction we will proceed from a community site's perspective.

We are no longer being proactive with NINJA, however on the flip side we will not take negative or actions of regression either. The NINJA utility will remain on the site and we will still carry NINJA patches.
mil
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2006, 01:57:50 pm »

Quote
Except that going to D's site from RHDN is blocked. It's kind of hard to get behind a new standard and promote it for widespread use when you can't link to the site for it.

NINJA doesn't appear to be blocked. 
Piotyr
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2006, 02:33:52 pm »

After reading what ninja can do that ips can not I suggest to keep supporting ninja. Again even if the creator was a douche he produced a good product that should take over ipses place in the world.
Seriously, lets not punish the users for your little arguements.
KaioShin
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2006, 02:36:56 pm »

Quote from: Piotyr on December 12, 2006, 02:33:52 pm
After reading what ninja can do that ips can not I suggest to keep supporting ninja. Again even if the creator was a douche he produced a good product that should take over ipses place in the world.
Seriously, lets not punish the users for your little arguements.

It's certainly not our argument, there was never any kind of offense from our side related to Ninja (or anything else for either >_>). How can we say that we wish everyone to use NINJA when someone can't even enter the site through links from here? It's no longer our choice.

Besides, I think we had this discussion before and decided to let it rest.
Piotyr
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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2006, 03:19:36 pm »

Quote from: KaioShin on December 12, 2006, 02:36:56 pm
Quote from: Piotyr on December 12, 2006, 02:33:52 pm
After reading what ninja can do that ips can not I suggest to keep supporting ninja. Again even if the creator was a douche he produced a good product that should take over ipses place in the world.
Seriously, lets not punish the users for your little arguements.

It's certainly not our argument, there was never any kind of offense from our side related to Ninja (or anything else for either >_>). How can we say that we wish everyone to use NINJA when someone can't even enter the site through links from here? It's no longer our choice.

Besides, I think we had this discussion before and decided to let it rest.

Note mils reply. Also note as I said before I have no idea whats going on in the internal politics of this site all I know is ninja=better then ips and that for some reason D no like romhacking.net. And also I say your little arguements not our because I am not really a romhacker so I am more of a spectator Smiley.
Ryusui
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2006, 03:59:59 pm »

Well, it's released. The ZIP contains both the RUP and the IPS file.

Thanks for the input, all. Enjoy.
Piotyr
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2006, 04:43:31 pm »

Quote from: Ryusui on December 12, 2006, 03:59:59 pm
Well, it's released. The ZIP contains both the RUP and the IPS file.

Thanks for the input, all. Enjoy.

And thus, it ends... Or does it? Now you can bring it up every chance you get as a completed project rather then an on going project. Tongue
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