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Romsstar
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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2011, 03:31:42 pm »

Quote from: Tomato on February 12, 2011, 03:24:45 pm
$50 or even $100 really IS incredibly low for the amount of work you're asking. You're looking for a program, with a GUI, that can do a whole bunch of different, pretty complicated things. It'd probably take a lot longer, but let's say conservatively that it'd take someone 100 hours (a couple hours a day for a month) to put all that together. 100 hours of work for $50 comes to 50 cents an hour. Would you work a job for only 50 cents an hour? That's why Gemini says it's way too low for the amount of work. Honestly, for projects this complicated, actual companies would probably pay tens of thousands.

Gemini happens to be like THE Playstation hacking guy, BTW. Hell, besides his excellent PSX translations and homebrew stuff, I've even seen him port Super NES games to native PSX code. Trust him, he knows what he's t alking about Tongue

Now that's a fine answer all right. You've got a point there.
But which I don't understand if this is such a high paid task like ten thousands of dollars like you're saying I'm wondering why there ARE such tools for the pokemon games and the developers (which did it probably for fun) never got their ten thousands of dollars?

Makes me really wonder how realistis this view is.

I do know and saw what Gemini can do. I respect him and think he's quite good when we talk about basic rom hacking. But his reaction makes me wonder if he even feels up to the task. No elaboration, just saying my task is a mess and 100$ is not enough.


KaioShin
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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2011, 03:31:54 pm »

a) This thread has a lot of responses since you are ridiculous.

b) The threads you are talking about with "no one helping" are unreasonable requests, just as this one. Either they are outright "I can't do anything, so please someone do this for me" or "Here is specific game X and I need specific thing Y done", which no one who hasn't actually worked on the game can answer - which leads back to the first case, it's unreasonable to expect someone else to get that deep into a game just to help someone who doesn't want to bother. Topics with sensible questions that can be answered without game specific knowledge, or with very specific questions that are sufficiently described get pretty much always responses. If you can't tell the difference, you really don't have a clue what you are requesting. If you actually knew, you'd know that the sum you are proposing is quite insulting. What you want is a project that can keep someone busy for a year. And it has nothing to do with difficulty. It's the volume of what you are asking.
Romsstar
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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2011, 03:39:18 pm »

KaioShin: Ok let's assume I never had mentioned a sum.  How many responses this thread would have gotten? I guess we both know it's close to 0.
And you can't say I'm just being lazy or I've never tried I ripped the game script, I got the table file and all the models and maps ripped out in their specific formats.
I did my efforts. Given that you say this is an unreasonable request, the sum doesn't really matter at all.

But I do think that one year is quite a lot said as the developers themselves needed less than a year to write the whole game.lol
DarkSol
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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2011, 03:45:11 pm »

Quote from: Romsstar on February 12, 2011, 03:39:18 pm
KaioShin: Ok let's assume I never had mentioned a sum.  How many responses this thread would have gotten? I guess we both know it's close to 0.
Yep, would have gotten very few responses because you're asking someone to do all the work, researching and understanding how the game works, for you.

The amount of money is immaterial.
9volt Kappa
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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2011, 04:12:57 pm »

Quote from: Romsstar on February 12, 2011, 03:39:18 pm


But I do think that one year is quite a lot said as the developers themselves needed less than a year to write the whole game.lol

:banghead:
Quote from: Romsstar on February 12, 2011, 03:39:18 pm

And you can't say I'm just being lazy or I've never tried I ripped the game script, I got the table file and all the models

Yes I can, You're just being lazy.
snarfblam
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« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2011, 04:59:32 pm »

Romsstar, $100 is a pretty small sum of money. If you think there is really only $100 worth of effort involved, why are you trying to recruit somebody else to do the work? If you've ever written a utility you'd realize the enormous amount of effort that goes into even a seemingly simple utility. Do you really think that somebody could make such a utility in half a day? Or, just how little do you think our time is worth?
KingMike
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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2011, 05:11:55 pm »

A reminder that in the rules, it is strongly recommended against someone to ask somebody to do something for you, particularly writing a big utility program.

And I'll also say Gemini is probably one of the most skilled PS1 hackers you'll find, he's definitely not a beginner.
(that is to say, he's pretty qualified to answer about the difficulty of PS1 hacks)
Romsstar
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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2011, 05:40:54 pm »

I never implied Gemini isn't skilled but that this task is maybe even too hard for him that's why he turned it down.
Maybe it is  a presumption but after all this is no easy task I guess.
DarkSol
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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2011, 10:35:38 pm »

Quote from: Romsstar on February 12, 2011, 05:40:54 pm
I never implied Gemini isn't skilled but that this task is maybe even too hard for him that's why he turned it down.
Maybe it is  a presumption but after all this is no easy task I guess.

Hamtaro126
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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2011, 10:40:04 pm »

Genimi can redo SNES games to PlayStation games???

Then that makes him the new lord of romhacking,

Because PSX games are a mix between SNES and N64, as well as a CD player!

*Grins at MIPS variation,*
Azkadellia
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« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2011, 10:46:07 pm »

Quote from: DarkSol on February 12, 2011, 10:35:38 pm
Quote from: Romsstar on February 12, 2011, 05:40:54 pm
I never implied Gemini isn't skilled but that this task is maybe even too hard for him that's why he turned it down.
Maybe it is  a presumption but after all this is no easy task I guess.



This would be a walk in the park for Gemini. He just chooses not to.

@DarkSol
You, sir, win 5 internets.
Sawakita
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« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2011, 05:36:42 am »

Quote from: Romsstar on February 12, 2011, 03:31:42 pm
Now that's a fine answer all right. You've got a point there.
But which I don't understand if this is such a high paid task like ten thousands of dollars like you're saying I'm wondering why there ARE such tools for the pokemon games and the developers (which did it probably for fun) never got their ten thousands of dollars?

Makes me really wonder how realistis this view is.

First: you answered yourself, since you said they did it for fun. They weren't asked by some random guy to make a tool for a random game they probably don't even have interest in (which, by the way, I think, is one of the main reason for a hacker to do something).

Second: I have no knowledge in PSX hardware, but comparing a psx game to a GBA pokemon game seems pretty out of place, since pokemon is generally way smaller than a PSX game, not to mention that PSX have 3D graphics (they do, don't they?), while pokemon just have maps formed by predeclared blocks, which really isn't a big deal at all.

Once again, not knowing anything about PSX mechanics I may be wrong, but it seems that building a tool for a psx game would take too much time if compared to the requester's attitude and offer.

Quote from: Romsstar on February 12, 2011, 03:31:42 pm
I do know and saw what Gemini can do. I respect him and think he's quite good when we talk about basic ROM hacking. But his reaction makes me wonder if he even feels up to the task. No elaboration, just saying my task is a mess and 100$ is not enough.
Quote from: Romsstar on February 12, 2011, 05:40:54 pm
I never implied Gemini isn't skilled but that this task is maybe even too hard for him that's why he turned it down.
Maybe it is  a presumption but after all this is no easy task I guess.

If you really want to disprove Gemini, give him ten thousands of dollars and see if you won't receive a well packed tool with a shiny ribbon on it (you're going to receive it for sure since you are being such a nice and enlightened person [sarcasm]).

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