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Topic: SlamDunk translation: Japanese phonetics (Read 1 times)
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Sawakita
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« on: November 29, 2010, 08:58:01 am » |
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Hi, I'm working on a translation of a japanese-only game for GameBoy ("Slam Dunk: Gakeppuchi no Kesshu League"), and the hacking part isn't really the hard part. In fact I'm having troubles with understanding japanese language, even hough i tried diving into learning japanese. Anyway I'm here asking for this: below there's the "character set" that I dumped from SlamDunk ROM, and I'd like to have some help assigning each japanese character its corresponding phonetic (because I'm having a lot of trouble comparing each character with a table found on-line, they look all similar to me). So, if you'd like to help me here's the way: each character has two coordinates (green numbers), so (don't mind about the first row, with number and symbols, it's just part of the character_table) for example the exclamation point is "0C", the blue dot is "6E", and so on. The only characters to which I'm almost sure what phonetic correspond (but, again, I can probably be wrong) are: 17 = ku 22 = nu 49 = go Also, characters "1F" and "2F" are printed above other characters (something similar to vocals in arabic language), so they're probably part of other phonetic, that couldn't be put together in a single tile. Am I right, maybe? And, an elucidation whether the characters in that table are katakana, hiragana or whatever, would be gladly appreciated. -- Thanks in advance for any help you could give, and for your time, Sawakita
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« Last Edit: November 29, 2010, 06:08:07 pm by Sawakita »
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MontyMole
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2010, 11:21:12 am » |
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I suspect someone will come along and explain this a lot better than me but your Hiragana set starts on lines 1-3, and your Katakana set are on lines 4-6.
We'll do the hiragana block for you as they will have the same syllables as the katakana set. We'll also do line 7 which is a mix of the two.
10 a Also at 70 11 i 12 u 13 e 14 o 15 ka 16 ki 17 ku you're correct on this 18 ke 19 ko 1A sa 1B shi 1C su 1D se 1E so 1F sign used to make ã°ã€ã ã€ã–, (ba, da, and za series of letters) used to save space in printing out those sets. Incindetally I don't see its katakana equivalent unless its at 4F 20 ta 21 chi 22 tsu 23 te 24 to 25 na 26 ni 27 nu 28 ne 29 no 2A ha 2B hi 2C fu 2D he 2E ho 2F sign used to make ã± (pa) series of syllables using 2A-2E. 30 ma 31 mi 32 mu 33 me 34 mo 35 ya 36 yu 37 yo 38 ra 39 ri 3A ru 3B re 3C ro 3D wa 3E wo (though it really isn't used to spell anything.) 3F n Row seven are letters, a,i,e,o, tsu, ya, yu, and yo, repeated in Katakana.
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Moulinoski
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2010, 11:26:37 am » |
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10 = a 11 = i 12 = u 13 = e 14 = o 15 = ka 16 = ki 17 = ku 18 = ke 19 = ko 1A = sa 1B = shi 1C = su 1D = se 1E = so
20 = ta 21 = chi 22 = tsu 23 = te 24 = to 25 = na 26 = ni 27 = nu 28 = ne 29 = no 2A = ha 2B = hi 2C = hu/fu 2D = he 2E = ho
30 = ma 31 = mi 32 = mu 33 = me 34 = mo 35 = ya 36 = yu 37 = yo 38 = ra 39 = ri 3A = ru 3B = re 3C = ro 3D = wa 3E = o/wo 3F = n
From 40 to 6F, it's pretty much the same, except it's now in katakana (before they were in hiragana). Note that 6E is NOT o/wo, that's just some blue dot thing there. 70 to 7F are just little a,i,e,o,tsu,ya,yu,yo,a,i,e,o,tsu,ya,yu,yo. 49 is katakana ko, not go.
コ != ゴ (ã“ != ã”)
You see that go has two little marks on top while ko has none? I'm not sure what they're called (dakuten? Seemingly 1F) but the denote muddied sounds on the k, s, t, and h sounds (the h's have another which is denoted with a circle, seemingly 2F).
Anything else I didn't mention are common marks (note that 5F is a Japanese period).
Edit: Thanks MontyMole. >_>; I need to learn to type faster...
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RedComet
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2010, 02:43:44 pm » |
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W-why would you want a romaji table? o.o Also, some people might find the term "Jap" offensive.
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Ryusui
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2010, 02:49:04 pm » |
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Yeah. It may seem like an annoying extra step, but it pays to be at least able to read the kana. If nothing else, you can paste your dump into a machine translator and get some inkling of what's being said. Not so much with straight romaji.
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Sawakita
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2010, 03:17:42 pm » |
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Thanks a lot to both of you MontyMole and Garoth Moulinoski! Really. @RedComet: First, I'm sorry if I offended anyone, I wasn't aware of any bad interpretation of that abbreviation (since it was meant as a three-letter abbreviation, like "eng" stands for english, and "ita" stands for italian). Anyway, yes, my plan is to get the correct character from a table found online, comparing the romaji with the correct katakana/hiragana character. It's a bit insane, but that's the only way I can do it, considering my total ignorance in japanese language.. Yeah. It may seem like an annoying extra step, but it pays to be at least able to read the kana. If nothing else, you can paste your dump into a machine translator and get some inkling of what's being said. Not so much with straight romaji.
Exactly that.
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Moulinoski
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2010, 09:13:49 pm » |
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@RedComet: First, I'm sorry if I offended anyone, I wasn't aware of any bad interpretation of that abbreviation (since it was meant as a three-letter abbreviation, like "eng" stands for english, and "ita" stands for italian).
The official abbreviation for Japanese seems to be JPN. You can use that instead of "jap". A little side-story: I was quite surprised a character in Dunbine actually called Shou, the main character, a jap. Considering it is a Japanese cartoon, y'know...
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RedComet
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2010, 10:16:17 pm » |
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@RedComet: First, I'm sorry if I offended anyone, I wasn't aware of any bad interpretation of that abbreviation (since it was meant as a three-letter abbreviation, like "eng" stands for english, and "ita" stands for italian). Anyway, yes, my plan is to get the correct character from a table found online, comparing the romaji with the correct katakana/hiragana character. It's a bit insane, but that's the only way I can do it, considering my total ignorance in japanese language..
Alternatively you could ask someone to post up the kana in text format and copy/paste them into your table. That's what most of us do with kanji. Here: ã‚ã„ã†ãˆãŠã‹ããã‘ã“ã•ã—ã™ã›ã ãŸã¡ã¤ã¦ã¨ãªã«ã¬ãã®ã¯ã²ãµã¸ã» ã¾ã¿ã‚€ã‚もやゆよらりるれã‚ã‚ã‚’ã‚“ アイウエオカã‚クケコサシスセソ〠タãƒãƒ„テトナニヌãƒãƒŽãƒãƒ’フヘホ マミムメモヤユヨラリルレãƒãƒ¯ã€€ãƒ³ ããƒã‡ã‰ã£ã‚ƒã‚…ょァィェォッャュョ
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Ryusui
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2010, 10:21:56 pm » |
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ã‚ã„ã†ãˆãŠã‹ããã‘ã“ã•ã—ã™ã›ã ãŸã¡ã¤ã¦ã¨ãªã«ã¬ãã®ã¯ã²ãµã¸ã» ã¾ã¿ã‚€ã‚もやゆよらりるれã‚ã‚ã‚’ã‚“ アイウエオカã‚クケコサシスセソ〠タãƒãƒ„テトナニヌãƒãƒŽãƒãƒ’フヘホ マミムメモヤユヨラリルレãƒãƒ¯ãƒ²ãƒ³ ããƒã‡ã‰ã£ã‚ƒã‚…ょァィェォッャュョ
You were missing the katakana "wo" in there.
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Gideon Zhi
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2010, 10:55:31 pm » |
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You were missing the katakana "wo" in there.
It's not in Sawakita's font. There's just a bullet icon or a cursor or something in its place.
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Ryusui
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2010, 11:26:57 pm » |
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Ah. I was wondering why there was a stray comma in there. ^_^;
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Sawakita
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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2010, 07:48:23 am » |
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Alternatively you could ask someone to post up the kana in text format and copy/paste them into your table. That's what most of us do with kanji. Here:
ã‚ã„ã†ãˆãŠã‹ããã‘ã“ã•ã—ã™ã›ã ãŸã¡ã¤ã¦ã¨ãªã«ã¬ãã®ã¯ã²ãµã¸ã» ã¾ã¿ã‚€ã‚もやゆよらりるれã‚ã‚ã‚’ã‚“ アイウエオカã‚クケコサシスセソ〠タãƒãƒ„テトナニヌãƒãƒŽãƒãƒ’フヘホ マミムメモヤユヨラリルレãƒãƒ¯ã€€ãƒ³ ããƒã‡ã‰ã£ã‚ƒã‚…ょァィェォッャュョ
You're right, this is better, and it's useful! Thank you.
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