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tcaudilllg
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« on: September 22, 2010, 03:44:05 pm »

I'd be nice to have a collection of these for reference and analysis. Preferably all in one place, like DataCrystal.
MathOnNapkins
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2010, 04:45:19 pm »

You mean a collection of documents and tools to make rom hacking easier?
Gideon Zhi
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2010, 08:11:14 pm »

Quote from: MathOnNapkins on September 22, 2010, 04:45:19 pm
You mean a collection of documents and tools to make rom hacking easier?

That sounds like a really good idea! I wonder where one could find such a thing?
Spinner 8
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2010, 10:14:50 pm »

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snarfblam
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2010, 09:15:34 pm »

Quote from: tcaudilllg on September 22, 2010, 03:44:05 pm
I'd be nice to have a collection of these for reference and analysis. Preferably all in one place, like RHDN.
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tcaudilllg
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2010, 09:06:02 pm »

Or so it may seem. But most of the docs are just for beginners -- they don't teach a person the exact method for say, figuring out the contents of a file. (which involves data tracing, but that's my point: not many docs on the particulars of tracing).
RedComet
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2010, 09:26:43 pm »

Quote from: tcaudilllg on October 24, 2010, 09:06:02 pm
Or so it may seem. But most of the docs are just for beginners -- they don't teach a person the exact method for say, figuring out the contents of a file. (which involves data tracing, but that's my point: not many docs on the particulars of tracing).

What blows my mind is why someone who has said they are "not going to reverse engineer a single copyrighted game" because it is "illegal" cares so much about such things.
tcaudilllg
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2010, 05:11:21 am »

Quote from: RedComet on October 24, 2010, 09:26:43 pm
Quote from: tcaudilllg on October 24, 2010, 09:06:02 pm
Or so it may seem. But most of the docs are just for beginners -- they don't teach a person the exact method for say, figuring out the contents of a file. (which involves data tracing, but that's my point: not many docs on the particulars of tracing).

What blows my mind is why someone who has said they are "not going to reverse engineer a single copyrighted game" because it is "illegal" cares so much about such things.

Be that as it may, it's not the topic of this thread.
BRPXQZME
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2010, 06:31:03 am »

Quote from: tcaudilllg on October 24, 2010, 09:06:02 pm
Or so it may seem. But most of the docs are just for beginners -- they don't teach a person the exact method for say, figuring out the contents of a file. (which involves data tracing, but that's my point: not many docs on the particulars of tracing).
It also involves material that takes up a full semester course at a typical US college with a computer science program.
tcaudilllg
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2010, 09:31:56 pm »

Well I'm probably going to start a thread on it then. Just wanting to test the waters to see if anyone more experienced was willing to undertake the task.

To answer your question, RedComet, I expect that this community will continue on with its hacking... indefinitely. Some of you will probably be hacking games into old age, maybe. (or maybe not?) Anyway, I think I can avoid raising eyebrows in my field (What kind of psychologist counsels a personality-disordered person even as they hack copyrighted ROMs in their spare time!? Just asking for trouble right there.) while still giving the community the tools it needs to hack games faster.

Makes you wonder why game companies don't sell "hacking licenses" for games, although I guess greed and obsession with maximizing market trends and moods plays into the anti-hacking atmosphere.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2010, 09:44:14 pm by tcaudilllg »
Gil Galad
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2010, 08:54:28 am »

Quote from: tcaudilllg on October 25, 2010, 09:31:56 pm
Well I'm probably going to start a thread on it then. Just wanting to test the waters to see if anyone more experienced was willing to undertake the task.

There are plenty of documents on this site as others have already suggested in this thread. Yes, a lot of them are geared towards beginning to intermediate skill, but hey, that's where a lot of people start out and go from there. A lot of people develop their own method for handling many different situations in ROM hacking that really doesn't require a document.

Anyways, whatever gap you feel that needs to be explained can be handled by you. This is a community that is made up of many contributors. I think that since you have all these great ideas, you should be the one to implement them, after you manage to gain more skill at ROM hacking. Because, I'll be honest with you, most of the things that I've heard you post about just don't make any practical sense. I ain't trying to put you down, I'm just stating my opinion that I think that you need to improve before you can start telling people ten times more experienced than yourself that you have a better idea.

You can't even really base what you're saying upon any experience either because you have contributed nothing to the cause yet. No hacks, translations, documents, utilities or anything other than reviews. So, what are you waiting for? Instead of planning all these counter-arguments, start working on projects instead.

RedComet
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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2010, 09:03:18 am »

Quote from: tcaudilllg on October 25, 2010, 09:31:56 pm
To answer your question, RedComet, I expect that this community will continue on with its hacking... indefinitely. Some of you will probably be hacking games into old age, maybe. (or maybe not?) Anyway, I think I can avoid raising eyebrows in my field (What kind of psychologist counsels a personality-disordered person even as they hack copyrighted ROMs in their spare time!? Just asking for trouble right there.) while still giving the community the tools it needs to hack games faster.

Kind of a hypocritical stance to take on the issue, don't you think?
Kagemusha
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2010, 03:30:34 pm »

Sure I suppose having more and more documents on various romhacking stuff wouldn't hurt, but I don't think it's necessary. I worked my way up from the very bottom and I've learned a great deal more since then. Most of which came from experimentation and my interaction with others.  There are some good docs for the more advanced stuff, but nothing has been more helpful than what I said above.
kingofcrusher
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2010, 02:24:04 am »

You should also write some auto-repair manuals while you're at it. I could use some good problem-specific auto-repair guides written by someone who's never worked on an automobile.
RedComet
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2010, 08:28:52 am »

Quote from: kingofcrusher on October 28, 2010, 02:24:04 am
You should also write some auto-repair manuals while you're at it. I could use some good problem-specific auto-repair guides written by someone who's never worked on an automobile.

I recommend the Chilton's brand of repair manuals if one's available for your car. Try to avoid Haynes if at all possible. They're good but most of the instructions are vague and only really make sense if you've already done what's being explained before.
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